uday, mangalore

Dakshina Kannada still not developed (Bad Condition)because of Moily,Janardhana Poojary and Oscar.

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Pandu Shenoy, Puttur/Sulia

Veerappa Moily is from a backward class. The community are temple musicians. During Indira Gandhi's time in 1960's my father and the south kanara congress president who was also an MP, A. Shankar Alva as per the push to promote backward communities, elected to give Moily a ticket. The plus point with Moily was that he was a lawyer and he used to ride a cycle in a village that was controlled by Bunts and Jains. A. Shankar Alva the man that he was could not be swayed by any amount of pressure to give the ticket to his community as he believed in Merit. My father too sided with Alva as they were too 'Gandhian' as some would say despite the Huge amount of power they had over South Canara. These are the men who worked alongside with U.S. Mallya, K.S. Rao and being the senior most lawyers of Mangalore court/district. They left the world with neither of them owning a house, car or property.
Veerappa Moily ended up having a great career and has become the man he is. He is an intellectual, without a doubt. His views like any others are debatable. However, it will take someone who has done a lot of research and reading that can go after him.

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Yeshwant, Mangalore

Since now everyone understands the term Hindu being a geological context and Hinduism the culture or Dharma of these Hindus. Then why do the Muslims and Christians have a problem being called a Hindu. I do agree that we cannot call your belief Hindu as you are by right a Christian or Muslim. In any case, it is you folks who bring this up each time someone says that we are all Hindu's. Why do you default it to a culture can't you default it to the geological context. Please note here that I as a Sanathana Dharmi would not want to term you guys Hindus, there is no love here. It is just that you folks hate to be called a Hindu but you don't mind naming your children Spanish / Portuguese / Arab/ Jewish names. It is amazing that your loyalty lies in your white masters who sponsored / converted you. I attended a meeting with a number of Indian Christians and American Christians where the Indians were as usual acting more Christian than the rest of the folks there until someone asked them if they migrated to India ie if their DNA was not ethnic to India. That sucked the blood right out of the Spanish named Indian Mangalorian Christians. The white's don't care about religion as soon as they see that your skin is brown or black. They understand color , religion they all know is to control these colored race and not for them. They care little if you are Indian or Mexican

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Mr.kumar, Mangalore/ Canada

lots of interesting comments, enlightened my knowledge.

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suvarna, mangalore

MR.simon A,
hindu civilization is one of the oldest civiliztion is the world. back then it was well advanced in cultivation, trading and even education. uncivilized or nomads were in the isreal range. they were uncivilized back dn n right nw even worst then nomads.
yes hindu word referred more as geographical dn religion back then. but now it is a religion. Hinduism has contributed a lot to the world till date. yoga, ayurveda, astrology, vedic mathematics, spirituality etc.
those days NOMADS living in deserts of gulf n Israel never had any knowledge other then hunting, eating and reproducing.
Mr. Moily is not aware of this own religious ethic. out of his mind n out of politics.

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Uday, mangalore

Zeitgeist, Mangalore
Sandrokottus aka Androcottus aka Chandragupta Maurya (CGM) was never a persian commander. In 326 BC timeline that you pointed out, CGM was about 25 years old ( 340BC being his birth ). It was a time when Alexandro da magnifico decided to abort his Indian invasion pretty much due to mutinies in his army. They were tired of of their overambitious leader.
Seleucus nikator was the satrap of babylon after Alexander, was attacked by CGM and he took over Bactri ( punjab to Afghanistan) . Eventually, Seleucus signed a treaty with CGM and got some elephants in return to protect his western boarders. Alexander married Seleucus daughter Helena as part of the treaty as well. However , Bindusara and Emperor Ashoka are descendants of CGM through his Indian wife.

where did you get the point that he was a Persian commander ?.
Regarding Porus war and his defeat is accurate.
I think the priest has good information about history.

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Simon M A, Mangalore

Shri Veerappa Moily is correct almost according to the history or our purana because before becoming as India we had more than 600 small Kingdoms here and in such a situation foreigners started to come to India ( that time there was no India ) someone by land and
someone thru sea and those who came thru land put some names as
Hindu ( thru Hidukush Range in Afghanistan,they called the inhabitants of that area Hindu,means nomad or uncivilized )
Ans even Arabs came to India also
given the name Hindi ( al Hindi means Indian) and being these are the fact why should people arguing or blaming each other ?? Instead of that try to understand the historical fact about all these controversial matter.Because of historical unawareness is the only reason of this kind of arguments arising...

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Christopher DCunha, M'lore/AUH

The word Hindu is derived (through Persian) from the Sanskrit word Sindhu, the historic local name for the Indus River in the northwestern part of the Indian subcontinent (modern day Pakistan and Northern India).[2][a] According to Gavin Flood, "The actual term Hindu first occurs as a Persian geographical term for the people who lived beyond the river Indus (Sanskrit: Sindhu)".[2] The term Hindu then was a geographical term and did not refer to a religion.[b]

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Lancy Noronha, Bellore-Bendur-Dubai

Too old model policy...we don't like more

Now we need new generation candidate face with smart international player pls...

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Sandesh Shetty, Bangalore/Kudla

Members of khangress will change the history itself for their vote bank.

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kuldesh, bangalore

stonehenge of england is dated back to 6000bc.stonehenge of akraim russia dated back to 9000bc.these are done by westren archeologists.non earthern metals bearing the sacred swastika symbol
of vedic era has been recovered.these are few examples.i can give you millions of examples but this forum will not be sufficient.
thanks

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Zeitgeist, Mangalore

Kuldesh,

You have got history completey messed up. I cant really get what are you saying. Persians landed in India in 14th cantury??? Really???
Persians(Achaemenid Empire (550–330 BC) ruled one of the biggest empires from western india to egypt. And the whole empire fell to Alexander when he defeated Darius of Persia. So then, the satraps in the eastern region (including one ruled by Porus (Puroshottam) )d their own rule. Then Alexander had to do was all the Satraps under control.
Chandra Gupta Maurya did not have an kingdom at the time. After Alexander defeated Porus he gave the kingdom back to him. And later he wanted to continue his conquest into India, but the Indian Kingdom of Nanda dynasty had raised a huge army. And also to avoid mutiny in his own army he had no choice but to turn back.
And the other thing is that.. you give some vague dates... like you know the history from 20000 years ... where is the proof. We have the history from around 3000BC with Indus valley civilization. So please do give the source of your history.

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kuldesh, bangalore

if you want the real history of indian race , it dates back to ramayana(tetrayug) and mahabharath(dwaparyug) and (lineages:suryavansh and chandravansh) with lineage of king bharath which runs deep down to pandavas and kauravas which dates back to 20000 years ago.india got the name bharathvarsh due to king bharatha.but i am sure you are not intersted in it .thanks.

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kuldesh, bangalore

WIKIPEDIA

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"The Maurya Empire was a geographically extensive Iron Age historical power in ancient India, ruled by the Maurya dynasty from 322 – 185 BCE. Originating from the kingdom of Magadha in the Indo-Gangetic plains (modern Bihar, eastern Uttar Pradesh) in the eastern side of the Indian subcontinent, the empire had its capital city at Pataliputra (modern Patna).[1][2] The Empire was founded in 322 BCE by Chandragupta Maurya, who had overthrown the Nanda Dynasty and rapidly expanded his power westwards across central and western India, taking advantage of the disruptions of local powers in the wake of the withdrawal westward by Alexander's Greek armies. By 316 BCE the empire had fully occupied Northwestern India, defeating and conquering the satraps left by Alexander.[3] Chandragupta then defeated the invasion led by Seleucus I, a Greek general from Alexander's army, gaining additional territory west of the Indus River.[4]"
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this means chandragupta maurya was already a ruler of magadha dynasty and defeated nanda dynasty and took the large portions of west india when alexander retreated to west.
thanks

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Vivek pais, Kadri

Kuldesh,
The amount of time you have spent here in commenting if u had used that same time in helping someone , then India would have been a better place.

We don't care which religion came into existence first.

What we care is which religion is influencing the society in charitable cause , striving for the betterment of the society.

We Indians are the most egoistic persons on earth and even no one can change that no matter how much we boast.

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kuldesh, bangalore

alexander is not saint to give the kingdom back to porus.porus is too brave a warrior to take his land back which he lost to his enemy. these are mistorted stories planted by british just that they cant tolerate a brown race defeated white race.i or you have to give proof for anything.otherwise history or people doesnt accept.i have got both versions of this incident from sources.but neither can be proven now.but we have to connect the dots.thats all.
thanks.

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kuldesh, bangalore

persian race is again the set of people migrated to west after the huge war of the world in dwaparyug mahabharat that took place in battle of kurukshetra,haryana,india.i can give you detailed account of that persian race with proof.but we should not discus anything that is controversial.lets put an end to this discussion here.god bless.
thanks.

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Fr. Lawrence Pinto, Anegudde Austria

Dear Zeitgeist, You have clearly and exactly stated the Historical Facts as they are.

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Syed Mohiudin, Iruvail/Riyadh

In 1965 to 1975's history book of primary standards Mentioned as Arabs who called Indians (they might be any community)Hind and by then the word derived as Hindu.

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V.R. FERNANDES, Mangalore/Bangalore

The word "HINDU"was originally a persian geographical term for the region beyond the Sindhu river,the Arabs called it Al-Hind.Later was adopted by the Turks and Europeans as Hindu.According to Rig veda(4-138) Sanatana Dharma"the Eternal Law" or the "Eternal way" which all people have to follow with tenet of Honesty,Purity and self restraint.This according to many Saints and experts is a more appropriate term for the great old relegion.

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kuldesh, bangalore

mr zeitgist,if we check all the maps of india including chandragupta mauryas magadha dynasty
and mughal rule(mughals could not capture great maratha shivajis empire)
all of india was under them except kerala(erstwile travancore) and central and south madras.do you know why?

they were expert in elephant warfare.thier armies including soldiers would fight from the top of elephants.horses were negligible in thier army.
thats why all
other knigs used to fear them and dare not to fight aginst them.the only other army which used to have large scale elephants
was king porus(purshottam of pururava dynasty).porus is a corrupted form of his real name given by british.

alexander was a great warrior who ruled entire europe and me.but capturing india became difficult for him because
he has travelled too far from europe covering thousands of miles and his forces were short of food and tired.
another is he or his army did not knew how to fight against soldiers atop elephants.his soldiers were too tired to reach europe
that many settled in gandhaara that is present afghanistan.dna of afghanis match with euopeans.that has been proved.alexander also
could not reach europe and died enroute.his grave is in egypt.

if you want to know about chandra gupta maryas huge empire
you will get informtion in wikipedia.check the map given there and also vast swathes of land he ruled.
thanks.

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Zeitgeist, Mangalore

Kuldesh,

You need to study history from a really good source.
Alexander defeated Porus. That that’s the fact. There are written accounts of the same. And if you simulate the battle tactics of the same today, Alexander would win. Please do remember that Alexander was a great commander.
Chandragupta (Sandokuttos) was a general in Persian army and not the king who ruled India when Alexander came to India. Actually Alexander never set foot in actual India if you take into account of modern political border.
And regarding Chandragupta Maurya having 9000 elephant and 300000 horses is just ridiculous. He would have a very tough time feeding them. I always read someone claiming that a x king had x number of army without taking into account the requirement to maintain such a army.

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kuldesh, bangalore

pls give the proof that alexander defeated porus.if that is the case why he ran away from india without ruling it and died enroute to his place by drinking water from a pool infested with bacteria.these are all british mistorted historic facts.alexander came to india in 326bc.chandragupta maurya the great king who ruled 70% of india is the one who built worlds largest university nalanda in bihar.check chinese scholar huen tsang records.chandragupta maurya is a general???????? that too in persian army hahahha
.do you know after mohammed ghori after being defeated by prithviraj chauhan 17 times attacked at night by fraud knowing that rajputs dont fight at night and defeated him???that was 1198ad.from then persian rule started,that is 12 th century.i dont want to argue with you.you are entitled to your own perception.thanks.

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kuldesh, bangalore

chandragupta maurya empire ranges from tibet to nepal to all of india except travancore and southern parts of tamil nadu which was ruled by cholas and king of travancore.for such a huge empire 9000 elephants and 300000 horses and soldiers are nothing and you should note that no other empire in the world ruled large swathes of land like raja vikramidtya and chandragupta maurya.thats the greatness of indian race.total 800 years of mughal and british rule could not 20000 years of bharathkand history.if you want to know more details plz chec
k in google.
thanks

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kuldesh, bangalore

could not erase 20000 years of indias history

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kuldesh, bangalore

persians landed thier foot in india during 12 century.alexander ,chandragupta maurya and porus are charecters of 4th century(326bc).how come chandaragupta maurya was a general in persian army???????do you know the great strategist chanakya whose chanakya neethi is today handbook for management guys all over the world is chandragupta mauryas mantri?

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yogesh, bombay

Good example of idle mind is devil's workshop

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Tony Pinto, Mumbai - Mangalore

By reading all BAKWAS.....from different congress minister it is difficult for CONGRESS even to win 4 seat in next election.....GOD BLESS!!

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Sir Lancelot, Manglore

Middle East and Gulf Country ARABS are calling Indians Hindi????
Do you know, if yes please explain

Like our coastal sea from Gujrath to Kerala even there no Arabs we call it Arabian Sea.

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Wilfy Fernandes, Kinnigoly/Abu Dhabi

We also call this region as Konkan shore.

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Dinesh Vijay Serighar, Thellar

any politicians knowledge about history is just a peanut.
Wait Please. Just a moment. Do not hurry.
But KNOWLEDGE OF MR. MOIL ABOUT HISTORY IS JUST A 1/4 of the PEANUT ha ha ha.
Therefore, just ignore the most failed lawyer in his career.

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G Z T Kunte, Udupi

Since so many years we have been reading in our history text books that the river name Sindhu became Indu (Indus) and then became Hindu on the tongue of foreign invaders like Greek,Turks & Afgans.
Then what is this new controversy?

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praveen bangera , kaup/dubai

Too good bandu Mammu....can't stop laughing. . U r too good

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MILAN, DXB

Moily not mentioned correctly,

The word hindi has given by Arab Muslims, they used to called them hindi, but not hindu, but later people made as hindu, Hindu Word is derived from indus valley.
Moily is also correct there is no Hindu word in vedas and upanishads. Truth is always Bitter.

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manju, mangalore

The word Hindu is derived (through Persian) from the Sanskrit word Sindhu...... VEERAPPA MOILY PLEASE REFER WIKI FOR MORE INFO....
I DOUBT YOU ARE BORN IN HINDU FAMILY....

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Prem, mangalore

Its a Persian word....everyone knows that....why so much hungama?

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Mr.kumar, Canada

Glad you realized it!

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Anil R, panjikallu kajebailu

Moily anna. ora pokkade kulli anna. irna poora zingri bingri bodchi. bale nama cricket match thuka.

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Albert, Mangalore

Mr. Mo-'ili', After UPA lost badly and you have been kicked out of Dakshina Kannada as well as Chickmagalur constituencies, it is better to retire from politics than getting spit by public, as you can see in this forum. Simply enjoy the back money you earned from various scams during your tenure as CM and Union minister.

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For Justice, Abu Dhabi / Ubar

Totally unwarranted ... rubbish...

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shahnawaz kukkikatte, dubai/udupi

Mr nitin..
I hv no objection if u say both hindi n hindu words are same n represent geographical location of our country..I can b called as hindu or hindi..but if anyone say the term hindu represents ones faith n belief then how come I can b called as hindu...here generally the word hindu represents or is used to point ones faith n not ones nationality..so I m a hindi muslim.. my predecessors cud hv been hindus by faith..but now we follow n practice islam..I cant be called as follower of both hindu n islam faith...once a bachelor or spinster marries n changes his or her civil status u cant call him or her a bachelor or spinster.U
Shd call him or her by their new civil status such as married or divorced or widow or widower..same applies here to indian muslims...now they are muslim by faith n by nationality n by birth indian. So we are indian muslim or hindi muslim not hindu muslim..hope I answered ur question..good luck to u dear sir..

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Dodanna, Mangalore

moilly be careful Netravathi is waiting for you.

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Sandesh Shetty, Bangalore/Kudla

M Oily and Oscar one of the most useless politicians from our district.

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nikith, mangalore

Hinduism is the oldest religion in the world. It is the third largest religion, with approximately 1 billion followers worldwide, 98 percent of whom live in the Indian subcontinent. After including Yoga followers, Hinduism has around 1.2 billion followers worldwide.

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TRaghu Pai, Bangalore

Seems Pappu partying abroad! Today Moily next would be Sanjay Jha, Manish Tiwari and gang of clowns. Moily deserves history class.

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Kanirali, indian

Let Veerappa M.. read all this comments... he may get mad... his too old ... stay back man

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Kanirali, indian

Former Karnataka chief minister M Veerappa Moily ..Your just stupid...if you start talk religion nobody will respect you.... better ask sorry & stay nicely at home with good health...your too old now you need rest & wishes..all the dharma (Hindu, Muslim,Christianity.) all teach be a good human... people are not understanding.... i feel sorry for that we all three religion fighting becoz of the religion....stop...stop....stop...

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sandeep Rao, Urwa Marigudi/UAE

Veer anna erna affidavit dla edene paddod....religion-Hinu(But introduced by muslim)...if you would have mentioned like this eeer MLA, MP ,Chief Minister la atvar anna...Hinduthva g aike aina darmika kathe undu,ethihasa undu...for your vote bank request you don give such statement that to being a Hindu....atleast respect your parents and elders who told you that you are born in Hindu family.

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hemanth, Mangalore/ bnaglore

Leave it...Do you have guts to stand election in karkala/ mangalore ?. Show your guts by Contesting from here...

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sury, kuwait

i agree

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Mustafa, mangalore

he is right..
Hindu/Hindustan is an Urdu word. Hindu is not derived from Urdu not from any Indian language..

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kuldesh, bangalore

its not urdu.urdu was a soldiers lanfguage of hyderali which they speak among themselves.stan which is the sufix of countries like hindustan,pakistan,turkmenistan,kyrigistan are are sanskrit term.even palestine is acalled palistan when vikramidtya ruled whole world during 9000 bc.you should brush up ur klnowledge before writing crap here.

persians from the other side of bharathvarsh used to refer the people of other side of the river sindhu as hindu.in persian language instead of 'S' they use'H' for all purpose.in the mean time, as muslim rulers settled in india they called the people as hindu.actually they want to call 'sindhus.but they called hindus because of thier language.

but hindus(so called) are sanaathana dharmis who follow sanatana dharma which is the first organised religion in the world.

we dont care who call us what bcoz we are sanatana dhamis and no can change that.

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Musthafa, Mangalore

thanks for your free advice..
I am very sorry to say, it was typing mistake- i were to say the word Hindu is from Urdu not from Indian languages..
I did not say to come out of Sanatan Dharma-i was saying Hindu word was initially introduced by foreigners. They called "Indians" as Hindu..
Hindi language itself call India as Bharath not Hindustan!!

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DS, Dubai

Talking always about the caste hindu,muslim, hindu,muslim, hindu,muslim,………………………… then saying or insisting that caste system should be abolished!!

Just change the mentality or perceptive. Whenever we speak or write Just never mention or utter these words Hindu, Muslim, Christian…………. Caste system will automatically erased

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ZAMEER, UDIPI

why too much arguments? he is a lawyer, he will prove his statement in court (sorry really i don't know much just......)

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Mahendra Shetty, Mumbai Mangalore

IF CONGRESS STAYS IN POWER THEY WILL TRY TO FINISH HINDU WORD AND HINDUS ALSO FOR VOTE BANK POLITICS.......

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prem, moodbidri

This is the way, how BJP brain washes the innocent people. They always project Congress as enemy of Hindu religion. But the truth is, each and every relgion lives happily without any communal tensions, during Congress rule.

I don't know how BJP forgets, 70 percent of Congressmen are Hindus!!!

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ISMAIL K PERINJE., PERINJE.

A-janata,

You raised one question/issue,I countered it with specific answer.You might be CHEDDI but then there are good and bad,human & extreme Cheddi( bit long cheddi) which one yours.Don't deviate from the subject and if can't answer with specific supporting materials then you are the one 'NAKED FOOL'For every comment of yours disagrees are 90%!!!! By mistake I did not see you getting agree more than disagrees all these times..Grow up man...

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RSRB, Kundapura / Singapore

ISMAIL K PERINJE., PERINJE

In fact, slamming Modi got highest "agree" in the forum but after election, it is found that Modi won with huge margin...

By the way, I never click agree or disagree, as I lost belief in it. However, if I disagree, definitely countered the argument.

Unless you say, why you disagree, there is no point is disagreeing..

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kuldesh, bangalore

sanaathana dharma which is called hinduism today is the oldest and first religion which has given 4 vedas which westerners are now realising the importance of it when it comes to space science and quantum science.

the first space scientist of this world was aryabhata,first surgeon of this world shushruta.the first relegion which gave the world the spiritual knowlege.

the nuclear and the scalar technology concepts which are used in nukes today are also given detailed in vimaana shastra

others refering to sanathana dharma which is called hinduism todayis like
3 blind people touching the trunk legs tail of a elephant and giving their perception as how the animal realy look like with thier own limited knowledge.

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Langoolacharya., Belman/Washington,DC.

He(mOILy) is passing insensitive comments...

What he says is half truth....true, Arabs call all Indians irrespective of religion including Indian muslims as Hindi and India as Hind.

Now this is not arab invented word...Hind means river Indus..for middle easteners any thing beyond Indus river is Hind and people living there Hindi and area Hind..

Please note when an arab say Hindi it means Indian not language Hindi...

This fellow as usual speaking with half knowledge....I have serious doubts he wrote Ramayana Darshana or somebody else ghost wrote for him....


...JH...

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ca girishkk, m'lore/dxb

Richard,

Realty check...,
Majority is divided wide & deep among themselves to capture the minority vote (not just congi it include SP/RJD/JD/TMC/CPI etc., Namo is also not behind already made his passionate statement after loosing UP assembly that Indian Muslim will die for India.., good progress. in fact Dongi Congi realised this fact 60 yrs back.., and ruled Bharat for better part of post independence era but others are now catching up).
Religion(VARNA BEDHA) is not invented by Dongi Congi, it was historical truth mentioned in veda's & in existence and practiced by Hindu's for ages.., In fact the Mogul's & Britishers exploited very well to rule Hindustan for couple of centuries.
tc & bye for now.
cheers to you, don't take much tension.

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shahnawaz kukkikatte, dubai/udupi

I really pity on the limited knowledge of Mr Moily who is oily when comes to controversy... Arabs called people of Indian subcontinent as the people of river hind...a name in Arabic for Indus..from the word indus the term India was born in English and in the same way the word Hindi was born from the word Hind (Indus) so Hind and Indus are same river and India and Hindi are the same geographical part of the globe.. Arabs(muslims) called the inhabitants of Hind (India) as Hindi and not as Hindu... Later the word hindu was promoted in its theological perspective by the priestly class of India to differentiate their religion with that of the rest of the world.. The true ancient Vedic religion of India is sanathan dharma or shashwat dharma which means dharma of one and true God .. which is the preaching of Islam...but priestly class projected a perverted picture of their dharma to the dravidians and promoted it to safe guard their selfish interest... I am a hindi but not a hindu.. I am a hindi muslim and not a hindu muslim as per Oilys statement.

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MOHAN POOJARY, Kanekarabettu

Dear Sir,
I was working in Saudi Aarabia,Travel field almost 20 years.Old generation Saudis are very good respect for Indians,most of the Ssudi women name HIND

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Nithin, Mangalore/SA

@SHAHANAWAZ..., I dont get you .. You are saying "I am a hindi muslim and not a hindu muslim " ..How is it Possible by RACE you are and INDIAN right !!. Before Islam & Christianity came to india werent ALL Hindus ?.., So your forefathers WERE definetly HINDUS if youare Indian by RACE.

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Fr Lawrence Pinto, Anegudde, Austria

It is pre-dated to the Muslim era. India was the fourteenth Satrapy (Province) of the Persian Empire before Alexander the Great. The Persians could not pronounce letter S from Sindh)called it Hind.

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kuldesh, bangalore

mr pinto,before alexander.porus ruled west india who is a hindu ruler of pururava dynasty.rest parts of india were ruled by chandragupta maurya of maurya. chandragupta maurya had 9000 elephants with 300000 horses and soldeirs.alexander got to know this and retreated to west from afghanistan.alexander never ruled.history books telling alexander defeated porus is also not proved.some sources are telling it is porus who defeated aleaxander.persians ruled india from 12the century to 15th century and british thereafter untill 1947.
thanks.

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Fr. Lawrence Pinto, Anegudde, Austria

Dear Mr. Kuldesh, I am happy to hear that you are also an ardent lover of ancient History of our beloved Land. But long ago before Porus, the Persians were the masters of the Indus Land and this can not be denied and Porus may have been an independent king during his tenure.In the War, Porus was never defeated, he must have lost a battle but not the war. He was however not vanished and at the same time we can never accept that Alexander had clearly won. Though Chandra Gupta Maurya pleaded him to vanquish Dhanannanda of the Nanda Dynasty. Alexander had the taste of real Indian Valour at the hands of Porus. BUt the real reason of his departure was the battle-weariness of his troops. He wanted to conquer India but his Army and Commanders dissuaded him. There was a near revolt in the rank and file. Alexander returned back in haste, was fatally ill and in the same year died.So JAI HIND or JAI SINDH

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kuldesh, bangalore

dear mr pinto sir,i dont know what you are talking about persians race.the whole story of persians came into picture after the death of prithviraj chauhan in battle of panipat.untill then they were ruling whole of middle east,central asia upto afghanistan.even vast portions of pak were ruled by maharaja ranjit singh ,the sikh.if you are refering to the origin of indian race then we have to go back to vedic era which dates back to 20000 years.

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Fr. Lawrence Pinto, Anegudde Austria

Gandhara/Taxila in Punjab was conquered by Achaemenid empire in 518 BC.During this time, Pushkarasakti, a contemporary of King Bimbisara (558–491 BC) of Magadha empire of Haryanka dynasty, was the king of Gandhara. Pushkarasakti was engaged in power struggles against his local rivals. The Persian chieftain Achaemenids under Darius penetrated to the region in 516 BC, and annexed other parts of Punjab west to Indus river and Sindh.
You are speaking about Prithviraj Chauhan. He ruled (1149–1192 AD). The Persians under Darius were not Muslims. Kindly find out their Religion. During the time of Porus, the might of Persians got diminished and Alexander conquered the region and came face to face with Porus.

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kuldesh, bangalore

persians from the other side of bharathvarsh used to refer the people of other side of the river sindhu as hindu.in persian language instead of 'S' they use'H' for all purpose.in the mean time, as muslim rulers settled in india they called the people as hindu.actually they want to call 'sindhus.but they called hindus because of thier language.

but hindus(so called) are sanaathana dharmis who follow sanatana dharma which is the first organised religion in the world.

we dont care who call us what bcoz we are sanatana dhamis and no can change that.
thanks

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girish bekal, dubai

mr. moily pls stop ur stupid speeches.....dont divide us by religion...we r indians no hindu no muslim no christianity no others...should think hw to develop india...dnt hurt people from u r words be a indian save india

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Sandy, Mangalore

Empty vessel makes more noise..

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fiza, dubai

dear mr.moily ok at one point let me agree ..with what u said me being congi supporter ...but your only the one with saffron cloth (so called towel )and always in speech you'll say Hinduism ...now why discrimination ....why cant you say bharath desh ? its this not a discrimination just because youll lost the pm seat are u people jobless ....plz ..maintain peace

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Sri, managalore

Hindus refer to people of India, irrespective of religion, Sanatana Dharma referece to way of living as per Holy Vedas. In India for religious equality, we call all the religion as Hindus. Or else we can name sanatana Dharma as our religion, but we dint.

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Pabba, neliyadi

If Moliy say.."will live and die" statement ??

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ca girishkk, m'lore/dxb

Dear Richard,
If we go by the recent assembly election outcome, your response to some extent is far from truth.

Moily expressed his opinion based on his assessment of available historical facts & information.
In fact VARNA BEDHA does exist in Hindustan for ages.., nobody can deny or change this fact. These are pursued by the upper cast for their convenience.

Ref : a rare & sad instance at Sri krishna Mutt on pankthi bedha reported in daiji some time back.

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Richard, Shirva/Sharjah

ca girishkk, m'lore/dxb..so if yes to Veerappa's theory 'no religion' then why caste discrimination in the name of 'reservation'..
Congress for past 60years fooled people and this veerappa's one more style of fooling people for congress advantage...
majorities will be more united by these kind of untruth theories!

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Prakash, Dubai

Dear Moily,

I am not interested to know any History or teaching from you about Hindu Name. You Congress people can go any extent to play vote bank politics. I Born as a Hindu, and Proud to be a Hindu till I die. Some of the Hindu Commentators/Congress supporters in this forum must be happy from this news who always believe your Congress is a Secular party. But matured Hindu know it very well what's your contribution for the development of our India Except Vote bank politics. People made you a Political Leader to serve them, not for your advise about any religion.

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annonimus, ksa/mangalore

Even though he is speaking some what truth. even though he has golmal minster of UPS

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Vikram, Dubai

I think his name not Veerappa Moily it should be Veerappa Moula ?

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Richard, Shirva/Sharjah

Now Veerappa moily's Congress realized that they cannot win with their modus operandi 'votebank politics' so these are latest amendments congress may seek!! to get victory atleast after 20years by now

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krishna bhatt, moodabidri

YOU Congress think-tankers say caste system should have been abolished in the constitution, then Who & why the new Govt Castes are named(Introduced) as Minority Majority, ST, S.T, Tribals, Harijans, backward, forward. First of all why you people appose implement uniform civil code for India. Now u say that 'HINDU' is named by Mohammedans. One day you may say that, Hindus are named by Muslims so born to Muslims. what happened to the so called Indian intellectuals. Shame on us to forgot the Ethics. You say it is not mentioned in veda then what is 'SANAATHANA DHARMA'. In vedic period there was only one religion (believers) that is why it is not mentioned in Vedas.

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Wellwisher, Mangalore

Jaimini, By the way its lopa sandhi

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w.t.f, Mangalore

No. Its Alakka Popa sandhi

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abhyankar, mumbai

one more example of nonsense act just for vote bank . if your knowlege is weak you should not open your mouth. some of the comments are even worst

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Nithin, Mangalore/SA

@ISMAIL..,Dont be among those who still believe in the MYTH of ARYAN Dravidian Theory.., This was just a creation by Friedrich Max Muller., Its becuase when the WHITE skin thieves came to India and they saw the advance knowledge of the Indians Written in the Vedas and upanishads they created this MYTH to say those who wrote the VEDAS and the Upanishads were actyally NOT from INDIA..thus came the Stupid Aryan Dravidian Theory..

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Prakash, Dakshina Kannada/Bangalore

Jobless politicians seeks job for political servival by giving statement on religion, language, separate state etc... Its better to take former governer of Rajastan Margaret Alva as model. Now she is for elimitating the basic problem at Bangalore, i mean garbage problem. hope for the best....

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Sudhakar Poojary, Kadeshivalya/Dubai

Who let the dogs out..Who Who...??

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Sudhakar Poojary, Kadeshivalya/Dubai

Oh Appa Virappa.Ninu mental agidiyappa?!!

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C K DAYANANDA, MANGALORE

It is said in Bhavishya Purana [3000 B C] that the land between Himaalaya and Saagara [Hindu Maha Saagara]is Hindusthana and the people living their are Hindus.

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Sudhakar, Kallianpur

Veerappa Moily effect,

Today's most searched word in Google - "Hindu"

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FAZIL, DXB

Moily a national waste

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jesse, mangalore/ireland

I cannot find veerappa in any books from where your parents got this name?

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ramesh shettigar, mangalore

but veerappan?

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jnb, bejai

it derived from Veerappan (sandle-wood smuggler) any problem?

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RonRon, Udupi

Wah!!!!! Moily saab... KG Basin Gas 2USD for Bangladesh for India only 8USD.

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Dinesh Poojary, Kundapura/Bengaluru

Since 1947, the efforts have been in place to destabilize hindism in this country by FEROZE KHAN GANDHY family and their chelas like this fellow.

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Praveen, Udupi

Dinesh..Try to write the correct spelling of Hinduism.

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RSRB, Kundapura / Singapore

Praveen, Udupi
When a person does not have knowledge to counter, he looks at spelling & grammer...:-):-)

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Praveen, Udupi

Mr Moily being a learned and senior politician should refrain from making such comments. He himself being a Hindu should not put his community down by such foolish comments. Such comments do not add anything to his popularity.

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Ashwin, Mangalore

Mr. Google Lobo ..

Thank you .

Even we could have searched it .
freelaner in Dubai or you working for a company?? stop commenting here and wasting time and work please .

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Alwyn, mlore

Veerappa Moily himself comes from lower cast, he must have experienced discrimination even in politics and parliament...
i believe his statement is taken out of context by media.
India is becoming like Saudi Arabia about religion, discriminating and intolerant about other religions and beliefs..

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Dinesh Poojary, Kundapura/Bengaluru

To get votes from SICKULARS, this man stoops down to any level....

He may embrace Christianity soon to satisfy his italian boss.

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prem, moodbidri

@ Dinesh Poojary,
It's one's personal choice. Any problem?
You too can embrace Christianity or Islam, who is going to stop you?

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Saihu, Udupi/Dubai

Yes, he is right there is no definition or term 'Hindu' used in vedas or upanishads. As explained by other frineds here in the forum the Hindu was dervied from Sindhu civilization. Arabs still calls us here as Hindi/Hindustani. But for those who calls all Indians are Hindus they themselves contracdicts if a muslim marries a hindu calls it as love jihad then how all Indians becomes Hindus, if we agree that all indians are Hindu's the issue of Love Jihad should not raise as Hindu marry's a Hindu then what jihad it will be. Logic right.

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Abc , Mangalore

Looks like he forgot to say HINDUS migrated from ITALY....

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w.t.f, Mangalore

@ ABC,
As per Raj Amin, udupi, even Science can not trace the beginning of Sanatana Dharma. Then how can you rule out, it has not come from Italy?
Have you done any research??? Where is the root or base of Sanatana Dharma lying ???

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HENRY MISQUITH,Manama, Bahrain

ಹಿಂದು ನಾವೆಲ್ಲ ಒಂದು
ಒಬ್ಬನಿಗೆ ಬೇಕಂತೆ ಕಾಶ್ಮೀರದ ಇಂಚು ಇಂಚು
ಸಿಗ್ಲಿಕಿಲ್ಲ ಅವನಿಗೆ ಕಾಶ್ಮೀರದ ಒಂದು ಹಂಚು
ಬಾಯಿಗೆ ಬಂದಾಗೆ ಮಾತಾಡುವ ಅವನ ಹುಚ್ಚು!!

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Prakash, Dubai

Mr. Moily is doing preparation to rout the congress Govt in Karnataka. Best of Luck. Enchinekk marre pokkade irna mandeg kall eere padondullar.

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Prakash, Mangalore

The Word Moily could also be used to mean 'Lots of Rats' but that's not news now is it?

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R.Bhandarkar, M'lore

R: Mummy Mummy...
Mummy: HOOOOOOOO
R: Mummy,You did good thing giving Moily-Oil Ministry...last time..
Mummy: Why?
R: Between M and Y his name has Oil...
Mummy: (Smiling) You noticed now....??
R: That man apart from Oil, writes books and knows many things..
Mummy: Such as?
R: 'Hindu'word introduced by Muslims it seems..but he does not know one important thing...
Mummy: What?
R: Why Hindu- Muslim fighting in every forum, for every silly reason?
Mummy: Arre Beta, You are slowly learning!!! You are better than Oily...
R: Moily Mamma Moily!!

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Prakash, Mangalore

The stuff that makes news these days!!!
Hindu - Inhabitant of Hindustan. Nothing more nothing less. Get used to it!

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Ahmed.S, Mangalore

What is offensive in this ? Arab invaders named the people living beyond Sindhu Rivers as Hindus. It was not the name of religion then . Veerappa Moily is person with high Knowledge who wrote many books including illustrated book on Ramayana. Some one opposing Moily should come with alternative proof , not abuses.

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Raj Amin, udupi

Sanatana Dharma is the real name of Hinduism. As the name itself says Sanatana Dharma is "Eternal Religion".
It is not a religion in the way other religions are. Simply speaking, it is a way of life - A scientific way of life.

No one can wipe out the truth. Sanatana Dharma is eternal truth. This eternal truth can not be destroyed. It had no beginning like the other religions. It was there even during the time that science of today can't trace. Such invasions can't root out the religion that has the eternal foundation.

Proud to be a sanathan dharma follower...

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Zandy, Mangalore

Ok

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Jessy , uae

Christianity is a religion for the soul not to satisfy any boss.Mind your words.

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vellano1, Mumbai

Well, I like few people giving gyaan to Moily!! I wholeheartedly support his antithesis! :-D

If the same was said by RSS pracharaks, then it wld have been an issue!! commentators, seem to agree with Bhagwath here! -)

Caste system is still existing, thanks to Congress! now that they know appeasing any one section has proved detrimental, now they want to go with majority people!!

empty mind is devils workshop!!! Moily better write "ramayana darshanam" part 3 or so and take sanyas..

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Nancy, Belman

Dont these politicians got to do better work instead of passing sensitive comments? Is there any need of saying all this?

Let anything derived from anywhere, or come from anywhere, what does anyone has to do with that? Humanity should be there in everyone.

Its really very sad to see that, so called politicians omit something and their followers/non-followers start fighting and those politicians enjoy...

Very sad...

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Jaimini P.B., Manipal,Sharjah

The word "VEERAPPA" means Veerara Appa means Shoora/Dheera/Magadheera/ Bahaddura/

Veerapa =Veera plus Appa= Savarna Deergha Sandhi

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Albert, Mangalore

Any direct relation with notorious VEERAPPAN??

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JOHN R LOBO, Kaikamba/Dubai

Boss, what about " Veerappan "....????

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Jaimini P.B., Manipal,Sharjah

Haaa..good question..my dear friend..
1.Veerappa and Verappan are same same..one is Kannada version and another is Tamil Version..

2.One in Naadu and another one in Kaadu

3.One looted people another looted Sandalwood

4.One signs with pen to show his authority ,another kills with gun to show his supremacy..

5.One wears safari suit..another wears Khaki pant..

To me...both look two sides of same coin !!

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RSRB, Kundapura / Singapore

Jaimini P.B., Manipal,Sharjah

Minor correction: Swara Lopa Sandhi..:-)
This guy Veera plus Appa does not answer any question about other religion.. The moment you ask, his "Swara" becomes "Lopa"

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RSRB, Kundapura / Singapore

Jaimini P.B., Manipal,Sharjah

You really made me to think a lot about the grammer of Kannada....

There is not only Sandhi, Samaasa is also there.....

APPA who never had VEERYA is known as VEERAPPA... Thathpurusha Samaasa

It could be also as follows:

WE plus RAPPA is VEERAPPA means, WE have to hit him RAPPA RAPPA on his face fir his utter nonsense.... and can be called as Karma Dharaya Samaasa..!!!

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Jaimini P.B.., Manipal,Sharjah

Haaaa..Your new invention RAPA RAPA samasa is like hot SAMOSA !!

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Captain, Mangalore

HOW LOW CAN THIS MAN STOOP!!!!WE DONT HAVE TO TAKE LESSONS ON HINDUISM FROM YOU!!!The election are far ahead Mr.Moily do not start appeasing and divisive politics.Find some other methods to be in the NEWS.

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Arun Menenzes, Mangalore

I feel the so called seculars raise 'hindu', 'muslim' and christian words more than BJP,Muslim league etc.
It is clear now who is deviding the society.

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Sudheer, Mangalore

Who invented that its your congi... Whenever film like De Vinci Code you reject but when they make the fun of hindu god, you say freedom of expression.

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Albert, Mangalore

The word' Moily' is derived from Al Quida meaning their 'GURU"!!! Ignore these idiots!!

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JOHN R LOBO, Kaikamba/Dubai

Very soon New Tulu movie will be releasing in " Namma Kudla".

This is Tulu version of Hindi.

" Raam Teri Ganga Maili" ( Hindi )...........' Rampa Teri Veerapa Moily" ( Tulu )

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Raj Amin, udupi

JOHN R LOBO, Kaikamba/DubaiMonday @ This is EPIC.....
Loved your lines....

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sayed, ksa

google ki jai ho

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SURESH MAROLI, MANGALORE/BAHRAIN

NO WORK IN UPA. SO HE STARTED NEW DISCOVERY CHANNEL.

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Robin, Byndoor

Adella sayali Maharaya.... Neenu Mantri aade, Mukhya Mantri aade... Kendra Mantri aade....

Aadare Ninna ooru Moodabidrege hoguva raste agala maadisade, Gurupura setuveyalli dina Jam agta ideyalla .... Idannu ondu bega maadisi punya katti kollayya...

Amele ku#d# melmaadi kootkondu Innondu "Ramayana Mahanveshanam" athava "HINDU Shabdaanvesham" Kaadambari bariyo ...

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Flavian, Mangalore/Kuwait

Sir,

You should included our Jannanna also to make a joint declaration about the subject. Wow !

Jannanna kidar gaya.... doond ke lavo.

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ISMAIL K PERINJE., PERINJE.

The word HINDU derived from river Sindhu....Indian Muslims not termed Hindu but as said by Goan CM,(Arabs refers Indians as Hindi/Hindu)Court interpretation and some BJP/RSS leaders time and again went on telling that HINDU is not religion but civilization...

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j.anata, Mangaluru / Bengaluru

Dear Social Worker of CHOR Congress, we are not interested to hear or read about your discovery of the word 'Hindu'

Thank you so much

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ISMAIL K PERINJE., PERINJE.

A.janata,

History also says Those migrated from Persia called Hindus mainly concentrated north India and Dravidians of south are indigenous INDIANS.You like, accept or disagree but History and reality(see Tamilians/Keralians...0 can't be ignored..

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j.anata, Mangaluru / Bengaluru

Ismail Social Worker...

1) Why did 216 seats become 44?
2) Why did CHOR Congress win only Amethi & Rae Bareilly in UP?
3) Why were you not able to counter Modi wave (First yousaid 'THERE IS NO WAVE, but later did not know what HIT YOU')
4) Please refrain from blind supporting CHOR party, you are looking like a NAKED FOOL!!

And you're not qualified to lecture on Hinduism, leave that aside...

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jeevan, mangalore

Ha.ha.ha...

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ISMAIL K PERINJE., PERINJE.

J ananta,

How can I term BJP which swallowed whole Karnataka(REDDYS/BSY/NAIDUS/...& many more ..AS MAHA CHOR? Seriously I am asking you a then reigning CM went to jail and even lost his seat...How can I term him and his party?

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Dinesh Kumar, Mangalore/Dubai

One we cannot ignore him as he is an elected member, two he has stuck to his so called secular party and still is irrespective of its ups and downs. And again I hope it is not a political rally, as he is a writer himself and rights books, his knowledge on that front is unquestionable.

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Suleman Beary, Udupi

As I read some article and from few scholars that the word 'Hindu' is used by the merchant Arabs to identify people living in the Indus valley who majority speaks Hindi.
There is no head and tail in Moily statement.

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Amin Bhoja, Patte / Riyadh

Politicians always talks with two tongues and Mr Moily is one of them and they use the public for their self and political gain. Not necessary we the public believe them always !!!be cautious !!!

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JOHN R LOBO, Kaikamba/Dubai

“ Hind” is ARABIC word derived from “ Sind”……When Arabic invaders first invaded Kingdom of Hindu King “ Dahir ( Todays Pakistan – Bay of Debal / Sindh Province of Pakistan )
They called native people “ Hindu “ that means People of Indus Valley ( River Sindhu Valley ).

Invaded Arabs saw Indian Spice fruit “ Imbli ( Huli in Kannada ) They called it “ Tamar –e – Hind .and became “ Tamarind “ ( Indian Dates )
( Tamar ( Khajoor ) means “ Dates “ in Arabic ) ….

In Holy scripture there is No word of Hindu……But our mother country called “ Bharatha Kanda “….and word “ Bharath “ derived from same

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K. S. Mayya, Mangalore/Bangalore

I not only pressed Agree but thought of posting this reply. Mr. Lobo is reflecting the correct interpretation of the origin of word Hindu. Moily probably was referring to this with or without full knowledge of the same. There need not be a ruckus about it.

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Dinesh Kumar, Mangalore/Dubai

It is true that there is no word called Hindu in Vedas or any religious books. Hindu word does not denote any religion but "way of life." The descendants of Indus valley civilization, then were called so to separate out. And again statements can twisted and taken out of context and issues can be created.

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India First, India

The word Hindu is derived from Sanskrit word Sindhu through Persian Language !! That time Persians were not Muslims they were following 'Zoroastrianism' !! So Moily is 100 percent wrong !!

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krishna, mangalore

For him no work he has only guts to abuse only hindu religion shameless creature

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Navin Shetty, Manipal/Bahrain

Ignore him, he's na pani ka na ghat ka politician and and who cares who he barks?. Religion tensions sparks from such a stupid unfit politicians.

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