Mumbai: Re-conversion to Hinduism was first approved in Udupi: RSS leader


Daijiworld Media Network - Mumbai (SP)

Mumbai, Dec 23: In a surprising revelation,senior Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh ideologue, M G Vaidya, claimed that the nod for proposals of re-conversion to Hinduism was given for the first ever time in Udupi, Karnataka.

This information, which has come at a time when parliamentary proceedings are stalled on the issue of 'homecoming' of converted Hindus, has come in the form of an interview given to the publication, 'The Asian Age', by M G Vaidya.

Hindu leaders had, for thousands of years, taken a conservative stand that those who leave their religion cannot be taken back into the fold of Hinduism. Vaidya said there was no provision in Hinduism for persons belonging to other religions to be admitted into. Vaidya recalled that a convention held at Udupi in 1964-65 in which Swamijis, sages, saints and other Hindu thinkers, had converged, had for the first ever time, decided to allow people to get re-converted as Hindus. Vaidya said during the interview that this was the first ever open declaration about welcoming people who desire to come back into Hinduism

"In 1964-65, all Shankaracharyas, Mahants and saints of the religion met in Ud(u)pi in Karnataka and decided to allow re-conversion. This was the first public declaration made by the leaders of the Hindu society. Before that there was almost a social ban on conversion in the Hindu community," Vaidya was quoted in the interview.

He also said that 99 percent of Muslims in India were basically Hindus, and that the controversial 'Ghar Vapsi' programme is not re-conversion, it is a system in which people who deserted Hinduism are received back.

"Who were the Muslims in India? 99 percent of them were Hindus. How they were converted, history knows. We are only doing their ‘ghar vapsi’" he contended.

As there was no provision in Hinduism for people willing to come back till recently, most of them remained in their respective religions. Now that there is scope to come back, people are utilizing this occasion, he justified.

He also said that Indian Muslims alone could save Islam because they believe in plurality. "Hindus believe in the plurality of religions, while Muslims do not. You can see how Shias and Ahmediyas are being targeted in Pakistan and elsewhere. Muslims have to change according to the times. However, only Indian Muslims can save Islam because they believe in plurality,"
Vaidya opined.

Meanwhile, reacting to the din raised over the re-conversion issue, Sri Vishweshateertha Swamiji of Pejawar Math questioned those leaders who had kept quiet when large scale conversion of Hindus into other religions had taken place, about the purpose in stalling the proceedings of the parliament when these people want to come back. When questioned about Vaidya's statement on welcoming people into Hinduism, Pejawar Swamiji confirmed that a decision to take back those who want to become Hindus had indeed been first taken in Udupi as mentioned by Vaidya.

"Till 1969, there was no provision for people to convert into Hinduism. At the convention of Hindu leaders held at Sri Krishna Math in 1969, a decision to welcome back those who were once Hindus, was taken. Discussions on this aspect were held at the previous convention of religious leaders held in Prayag in 1966 too,where important decision on prohibiting cow slaughter had been taken," the Swamiji recollected.

  

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  • Raju, Mumbai

    Sat, Jan 03 2015

    Conversion from hidusim to christianity using money power is right.. but converting from christanity to hindusm is wrong why ???

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  • sameer, Udupi

    Thu, Dec 25 2014

    ok, agreed but in Hindus so many cast which cast we have to convert... Convert to Brahmin, Okkaliga or Lingayuta ???

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  • Ashish, mangalore

    Thu, Dec 25 2014

    What caste did you convert from first. You can go back to that one or you can lie and upgrade. So this is an opportunity to rise in life.

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  • Aubb, Kuwait

    Fri, Dec 26 2014

    @Sameer,
    No fundamentalist can answer your correctly.

    Let's see if these re-converted Hindus will be guaranteed respect and equality by these mad fundamentalists first.

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  • Herman , muscat

    Thu, Dec 25 2014

    Perfect....call everyone as Hindus or Brahmins........do not call any by caste or creed. This may solve most of the problem. All will be happy.

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  • Musthafa, Mangalore

    Thu, Dec 25 2014

    if RSS did it(convertion),it is safe
    if anybody else, it is rape..!!

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  • Kumar, Udupi

    Thu, Dec 25 2014

    First of all , Try to improve the conditions of existing Hindus. Stop untouchability in temple and mata.

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  • NS, Mlore

    Wed, Dec 24 2014

    Why rewind only half....lets rewind back to the origins when there were no so called religions....

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  • Rajesh. Shetty, M.lor

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    one more joker....

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  • m hussain, mangalore

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Reconversion to which caste out of Brahmana, vyshya, kshatriya and Shudra? are Dalit and dravidians also Hindus?

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  • A.S.Mathew, U.S.A.

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    In the recent survey for the readers by the Economic Times, whether an anti-conversion law be implemented in India or not, the result was as follows:

    10% yes
    83% no
    7% no opinion.

    The readers of the Economic Times are educated people, mainly from the business community ET is the largest business news paper in Asia.

    In another news, while the question was asked to the young educated generation,
    the Hindus said " my close friend is a Muslim". The Muslim young people said that ' I have many Hindu friends, likewise Christians friends too".

    The educated sector of the society, both the young and old representing all religions are now watching this warfare created by some people to undermine the national unity.

    Well, the radical leaders of Hinduism is feeling an heyday of accomplishing something through bringing this hot and highly flammable issue which is crippling the parliament for days. Mr. Modi's silence is making far serious confusion for the people of India. Some of the States have anti-conversion laws, but now the issue has landed in New Delhi, and without finding an answer from Mr. Modi, the political pandemonium would be continuing. We are living in an electronic age through which what is happening in New Delhi is reaching the whole world in minutes.

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  • Aubb, Kuwait

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Does Re-conversion by enticing poor people with a promise of Adhar Card, BPL Card, Kerosene and 1 K.G. rice etc. or by threatening through any means amount to "Forceful Conversion"?

    If people want to convert willingly, then why the Hungama of Re-converstion?

    It is come to the knowledge of the entire world, that this is more of a political issue than a religious one, and has the backing of the fundamentalist Modi.

    Modi will never be able to keep up with his election promises, or attract FDI as he has been claiming in many countries, unless he takes a firm stand against Hindu fundamentalism in India.

    Modi has utterly lost focus on the development of India.

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  • Shivappa, Mangaluru

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Aubb, Kuwait,
    YES, Re-conversion by inciting (not enticing) poor people with a promise amount to "Forceful Conversion"
    If people want to convert willingly, then why the Hungama on (not 'of') Re-converstion? - I agree with you here.
    It is come to the knowledge of the entire world, that this is more of a political issue than a religious one, and has the backing of the fundamentalist Modi.
    You may be wrong to say Modi backs it considering the fact that he sent high panel of ministers to meet RSS on Monday.

    You are right when you say "Modi will never be able to keep up with his election promises, or attract FDI...." and I agree with you that he should "take a firm stand against Hindu fundamentalism in India".

    You are right again in your observation that "Modi has utterly lost focus on the development of India". But it is only temporary. He will reign in the Parivar.

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  • N.M, Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Mr. 5.6 inch (whatever) cannot reign in RSS...its the other way around because his leash in the hands of Bhagwat and Singhal.

    BJP needs the help of RSS to carry on with his NOBLE deeds.

    One example of NOBLE deed is that the girl who was raped by that C... Asaram has VANISHED as per news reports...and another witness was murdered, now he will be released with all honours from jail.

    So.Modi controlling RSS...hahaha!!!

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  • A.S.Mathew, U.S.A.

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Why religions like Buddhism-Jainism and Sikhism were emerged in India?
    They didn't find what they were spiritually looking for in Hinduism.

    Religion is a personal choice. Mr. Modi's economic agenda is already skyjacked by the radical near-sighted Hindu radicals.

    Wait and see the political circus yet to take place in India in the days ahead.

    I read this news of forced conversion in several news papers from around the world, even in the Jerusalem Post.

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  • thuluve, mangalore

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Baeek bathilekka baredh majji padenda eth samaya puge povu?

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  • gm, mlure

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Convert all of them as Indians and do something good for the Indians. Religion is the personal issue of each and every individual, let then decide what they want.

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  • nazeeb, Mangaluru

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Dear Brother vellano1, Mumbai
    first of all i like your some commentaries in DW forum, you are frank & special commentators to me.
    regarding your subject apostasy, i would like to inform you the details.
    for apostasy is not a death penalty, but after leaving the religion if somebody preach against the religion then there will be death penalty. It is more are less same as compared to any countries law, if a country's secret agent after leaving the job, if he shares the secret of his country to other country, then his penalty also the same, put in to death.
    i always believed in the universal brotherhood , as we all belong to one creator almighty, he is the creator of all human beings, so all human beings are our brothers/sisters, there is no barrier for universal brotherhood. it is my personnel message may be some differ from this point of view.
    But there is black-sheep in our community, who always trying to spoil the peace which is existing, we need to be united to fight against those evil doers.

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  • Ram Shetty, Worli, Mumbai

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    My friend recently converted someone from AC to DC.

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  • RONALD, BANTWAL

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    HI "AJJERE" ACCHE DIN AANEWALE HAI DO SOME GOOD SOCIAL WORK INSTEAD OF POLITICS

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Dear Roshan, Sacheripete/Abu Dhabi,
    Thanks for the Poem. I have already received video in my WhatsApp.

    One Head of the Church was travelling in the bus in Nigeria. Boko Haram entered with Gun and asked him:

    Are you a Christian?!
    Head of the Church said: Yes.
    Boko Haram said: You should convert to Islam
    Head of the Church said: No, No way.
    Boko haram raised its Gun, shot and killed him instantly.

    HE KILLED ONLY THE BODY.
    NOT THE SOUL.
    HIS SOUL LIVES WITH JESUS IN THE ETERNAL.

    DO CHRISTIANS CARE FOR THREATENING, TERRORISM.
    GHAR VAAPSI AND KILLINGS.
    THEY ARE READY TO DIE WITH JESUS.


    Jesus already predicted:

    Luke 18:8:

    I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

    Many will loose the faith but those who hold the faith till the end will be saved.

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  • R.Fernandes, Dubai

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    What Luke18:8 has to do with Ghar Vapasi?
    Luke is talking about faith in GOD.
    Has he told that GOD belong to only Christians?
    He has told to keep faith in GOD and GOD is the same whome,
    Jesus called Yahwey.
    Mohammed calld Allah.
    Hindus called Omkara Swaroop.
    If you have diverted your mind from them and accepted anybody else has GOD then definitely Luke18:8 is applicable.

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  • G.Bhandary, Kaikamba /Matti / Muscat

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Dear Krishna Bhat, History can not be repeated or corrected. If our Hinduism gone down and pepole got converted various reasons behind it.First of all Hindu is not a religion it is way of life called sanathana darma. It had four factions /devided into section of people. Brahmana, Kshathriya, Vaisya and shoodra. This factions are based on their karma (job they perform) While practicing this way of life many shortfalls encountered one faction started overriding another and there was a fight between the factions for supremecy led to the disatser of this darma. Buddism, jainism, sikhism etc.. generated merely because of difference of opinion. Those who are responsible for guiding the society taken undue advanatege and misguided other factions ( Bramajnana by brahmana)
    If our Sanathana darma administrated properly by thos religios leaders conversion would have not happened. India would have been not invaded by Gazani Mohammaed , Gori Mohammad or even by British. We only preach our darma and wont practice it in right way. Our religios leaders are working for their selfish motives and made our society dance according to their political agenda. No political parties India or any religios leaders are worked for the betterment of sanathana darma. It can not be destroyed by conversion or created by re conversion. It stands like ocean and will remain pure all the time. It's values are so good to practice and it's main quality is that it wont hate any other religion. Those who lerned the ethics of sanathana darma attracted in millions and become the followers all over the world. Why you criticise Christians & Muslims for this reason? First you address the shortfalls of your darma. Hinduism stand tall if it respects all other religions. Hating other community is not the principle of Sanathana darma kindly do not get traped with so called protectors of our darma. It is unfortunate that peace and harmony of our beautiful country ruined by corroupt politicians and religious leaders

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  • Latif Mapal, Jeddah

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    .Is it enough Nazeer Husain comments the believe there is nothing called forced conversion and Quran is protected by Allah and will keep until end world. Allah is the only one controingl of sun moon earth and sky so who we are converting if force converts he will give punishment like ( earth quick Tsunami etc…

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  • Shivappa, Mangaluru

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Thanks John R Lobo, at least you admitted that forcible conversion has taken place in Goa, 400 years ago, resulting in displacement of GSBs who did not wish to get converted and Catholics who did not mind getting converted.
    Sir, RSS intention is not to reconvert each and everyone. Those who wish to come back are welcome.
    As regards marriage between communities, it is happening nowadays. May not be in noticeable numbers today but it will increase in future. One cannot avoid it.
    I wish to see my India to be free of caste and religious discrimination.

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  • nelson pinto, oman / udupi

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    N.M, Mangalore.

    Thank you for reminding us......
    in between cow,gold,petrol, rape , murder,conversion, bla bla bla ...
    i realy forgot this issue

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    I remember well during Janatha Party rule headed by Late P.M., Morarji Dheisai there was a fundoo M.P., who wanted to bring conversions bill in the year 1978 and the Morarji Dheisai government fell within 2 and half years.

    USA CHRISTINED POSTER-BOY, THE N.R.I. P.M CHAAIWAALA FATE WILL BE SIMILAR AND WE CAN OFFER COMMISSIONS COFFIN TO HIM, TO MOHAN BHAGWAT AND TO M G VAIDYA,

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  • A.S.Mathew, U.S.A.

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    What happened to Mr. Morarji and
    O.P. Thyagi's political career?

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  • Roshan, Sacheripete/Abu Dhabi

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Dear Readers,
    More light on 'Ghar Vapsi'

    watch Anil Kant's short poem on Ghar wapsi Black nib on Youtube

    "Hindu parivar se aata hu
    ek sachi baat sunata hu,

    Do hazaar ek (2001)
    me ek din meri
    Yeshu Masih se hui
    mulakat,

    Krus pe ja ke kode kha ke, paap Usne mere kar diye maaf.

    Yeshu ne 'khud' mujhe diya paigam,
    tha ye nahi kisi insaan
    ka kaam.

    Na kisi goray ka, na kisi kale ka,
    aur na kisi rishwat dene wale ka.

    Dharma nahi maine jeevan hai badla,
    Isme tumhe kya aapatti bhala.

    Mazhab kaho isme kaha see aya?
    Vatican isme kaha se aya?

    Hindu kya Bible nahi padh sakta,
    Yeshu ka chela nahi ban sakta?

    Aur mere jaise lakho karodo hai apne India me Yeshu ke chele.

    Yeshu ko jana, kya fark padta
    ek peedhi pehle ya das peedhi pehle?

    Ghar Wapsi ki kya karte ho baatein
    Ghar se mai duur gaya hi nahi tha.

    Bharat ka hoon Bhartiya rahoonga, in sasti baato se nahi darunga.

    Christian se Hindu ya Hindu se Christian mukti kabhi aise milti nahi.

    Aatmik baatein, satya ki baatein jhagde ladai se mit ti nahi.

    Paap ko chodo, anyaay chodo, Prabhu ke sath ghamand ko na jodo.

    Bharat ki prem pratha hai purani, likho nahi nafrat ki kahani.

    Pyaar nahi to kuch bhi nahi, tum bhi nahi hum bhi nahi.

    Ghar Wapsi ki kya karte ho baatein?
    Ghar se mai duur gaya hi nahi,

    Ghar se mai duur gaya hi nahi.

    Ghar se mai duur gaya hi nahi."

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    The first human in India were Christians. If we count Ghar Vaapsi of RSS all Hindus should be Christians.

    Yet we Christians don't need numbers game. We need spiritual humans and holy church built by Jesus on the rock foundation.

    RSS, VHP AND BD CANNOT SHAKE THE CHURCH.

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  • N.M, Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    WE the law abiding people of India who love & respect the constitution of India need to get united against uncultured, violent, semi literate sanghis.

    These aggressive minority and their paid bhakt need to be isolated or else they will ruin India.

    Forget Minority. That age has gone. There is no minority in Indian except radical sangh parivar

    Can anyone answer when did they become the sole protectors and De facto voice for Hinduism?

    The fake patriotism and their fascination to erase our rich history will be a major hurdle for progress of India.

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  • Nawaz, Dammam, K.S.A

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Dear Mr. Vaidya- As per your statement - “Only Indian Muslims can save Islam”.
    I request you to be kindly informed that ALLAH is the one WHO saves Islam and not any other Muslims, be them Indian or non Indian. A Muslim is a Muslim irrespective of his country of birth since a Muslim in any part of the world follows the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) only and hence there is no category/ differentiation among Muslims.

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  • D.P.SHETTY, Bahrain

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    In the history of India forcible conversion taken place by different reason like wealth ,women and to become a ruler. Now someone wants to come back we have to welcome back by all means.

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  • nazeer husain, jeddah saudi arabia

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    ITS Almighty ALLAH who guarrentied in quran about protecting the islam against any corruption.No need of RSS suggetions.Relegion takes growth by its real message of THAUHEED,not by quantity .Islam never tried to convert anybody against their will which is not allowed.Just pass the message of EEMAAN,thats all .Its almighty allah who shows the HIDHAAYA or call for wright path whoever he likes.

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  • Shivappa, Mangaluru

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    I beleive you when you say Islam never tried to convert anybody.
    But Muslims DID. With force. Moghuls did it and even Tippu did it. You may not agree. You stick to your empty rhetoric.

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  • MOHAMMED, SHIRUR

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Shivappa sahab....you r born in hindu family. Thats y you are giving lecture on Moghals and Tippu. And the fact is that..The period they (Moghals) ruled india...and if they did this conversion ...I think nobody is here to follow hindutwa.

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  • Shivappa, Mangaluru

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Mohammed,
    Fact is that they tried their best.
    However, man proposes but God disposes.
    You are free to keep your 'fact' with you

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  • MOHAMMED, SHIRUR

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Vaidya sahab, kisko sunarahehai ye JHOOTI kahani. Muslims...to hindus??????...no ..never. If issue is of love lapata...then it is not in count.

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  • N.M, Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    all you people are still debating about conversion??!!!

    What happened to the following claims??
    1.Black Money will return in 100 days.
    2.Every Indians will get 15 lakhs each.
    3. Women Atrocities will reduce.
    4. No communal riots for 10 years.
    5. 1 crore Jobs will be created in first year (P.S -none so far.)
    6.Youths education will have priority (the Yale HRD minster is consulting illiterate yogi for that).
    7. Cross Border firing will reduce (It has increased heavily).

    Failed BJP is trying hard to hide its failure by diverting the minds of people.

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  • Alwyn, mlore

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    I believe there is nothing called forced conversion, its only a myth created for obvious reasons all of us know very well..
    if i convert to any religion and don't register in any govt records legality does not apply.in records i may be a Hindu but if i go to mosque or church who can stop me?
    so even if anti conversion law comes you cant stop anyone from converting and praying to any Gods..
    you don't need a Govt approved registration to believe in any religion.

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Alwyn,

    Your comment is absolutely great. That is why i commented that the whole forced conversion issue is down right hilarious. These types of issues are really diverting us people from core issues that can help the development of the nation.

    These types of wild goose chase will make us indians as the laughing stock of the world.

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  • Narayanan Laxmanan, Udupi

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Dear Friends..
    For your kind information...

    Christianity in India has the history of nearly 2000 years...

    its not the portuguese, but Thomas and Bartholomew the very own apostles of Jesus Christ came to India in year 52 AD.. Their main aim was to preach Gospel to the Jews who were settled in India 2500 years ago..

    According to me Christianity is not new but very old Religion..

    No other Community in India (or even World) has worked like Christians in the field of Development, Education etc.. for the betterment of Society..

    Even today this community gives selfless services to all the needy in society... which I feel no other community has done to this extent..

    What i ask my so called Hindu Brothers.. please learn from them and lets take their example instead of spreading nonsense n hatred around..

    n remember... our Hatred one day will consume our own families n friends... I pray this won't happen..

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  • marol, udupi

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Dear Sir, Well said. No conversion is better than SELF-CONVERSION. Convert oneself to GOOD - ONLY GOOD which ever religion one may follow or for that matter no religion. GOOD GOD must shine in ONE'S SELF. Thank you and God bless each one of us.

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  • vellano1, Mumbai

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    christinaity world over too has history of 2000 years.. thats why we are in 2014 now! so what?

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  • N.M, Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

     vellano - why do you have so much hatred towards your own fellow citizens...and busy hatemongering???

    Whenever you spew venom...people actually get an idea, as to how bad it must be in shakhas.

    Well...what can we expect from groups, who want to erect a statue of Godse??

    Isn't doing so as good as erecting a statue of Kasab?

    SAD!!!....with a few more samples likes these...India will be seeing dark days ahead.

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  • vellano1, Mumbai

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    dont preach!! as if you love all.. you hate people for voting BJP! constant jibe at Sangh parivar,BJP etc! ... Not that I care for your rants.. but why dont you see them as fello citizen's choice also?

    if you recognize good work of missionaries, what stops you to see good work of Hindu orgns, RSS? do you even know what all they are doing? igonorance if bliss! where were you when all were appeased, except Hindus?

    You think RIOTs, will be by one community? dono haat se taali bjati hai!..both are to be blamed! if it is one sided, THEN IT WOULD BE POGRAOM.. like in Kashmir/Delhi sikh massacre or Yezidis, or jews in Hitler land.. get it!! ... Both communities have miscreants with ego and want faltoo panga and then show as if VICTIM!!!.. go teach those souls... not me!

    come with better points than making insinuations, innuendos, assumptions!

    Conversion- is just to highlight in media, so that Supreme court takes suo motu conginzance and orders for a law!.. all these seculars r rejecting Anti conversion law..cos conversion is a million dollar industry!

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  • N.M, Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Yezidis, or jews in Hitler land......???!!!??Stop writing insane stuff. I serioudly think radicals who support BJP need to get their heads examined.BJP's facade of development is wearing off and whats being exposed is the ugly, fascist and intolerant face of your favourite neo-nazi group.

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  • CYRIL MASCARENHAS, KIREM/MIRA ROAD/DUBAI

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    YOU ARE 100% CORRECT.NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.

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  • masif, Jubail

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    ಪ್ರತಿಯೊಬ್ಬನ ಕೈಯಲ್ಲಿ ಅವರವರ ರಾಜ್ಯ ಬಾಷೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ಬಾಷಾಂತರಿಸಿದ 3 ಗ್ರಂಥ (ಭಾಗ್ವತ್ ಗೀತ , ಖುರಾನ್, ಬೈಬಲ್) ಕೊಡಲಿ ಅದನ್ನು ಅವರು ಅಬ್ಯಾಸಿಸಿ ಅವರಿಗೆ ಬೇಕಾದ ಧರ್ಮ ಆವರು ಅನುಸರಿಸುವಂತಾಗಲಿ,

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  • JD, Udupi, Udupi

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    We are waiting for the Ghar Vapasi of Mr. Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi and Najma Heptullah. Why this is getting delayed?

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  • Robin, Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Forceful conversion must be stopped.. And yes may b there r some communities who do forceful conversions, these should be stopped.. people should be given freedom to choose their religion and not by force..
    And no educated,literate person will change thier religion unless a strong reason or wish..

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  • Syed, Udupi

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    @ Bhatt
    "It is now our turn to bend the opposition agree for our version of law & take revenge on those two religions for misdeeds" What kind of revenge you are talking, Your mentality and thinks will take india in to arabian sea!

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  • Narayanan Laxmanan, Udupi

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    This is nothing but another ISIS in making..!!
    They want India to be underdeveloped... so that they can reintroduce the caste system.. and the higher caste can rule the lower caste..

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  • PEDDU, MANGALURU

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    WE DONT HAVE ANY ISSUE HERE TO RE-CONVERT !!

    HOW ABOUT YOUR ARRANGEMENTS OF CAST !! ARE YOU READY TO ABOLISH THE CAST SYSTEM AND UNIT THEM AS ALL ARE "HINDU" NOT BRAHMIN-SHETTY-POOJARY-GANIGA-SAPALIA-KORAGA-BHANDARY ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC

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  • Sal, Udupi

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Mr. M G Vaidya is Educated..? If he is Educated then Kindly give the History Books On his Hands or Any1 can send the History Books for him to get The Knowledge Of INDIA atleast before he speaks Foolish, S###ts & Crap Words that "99 percent of Muslims in India were basically Hindus".
    Note: Communal Haters & Violence Creators.

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  • John R Lobo, Kaikamba/Dubai

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Krishna Bhat,

    First of all I do agree that “ Portugeese” converted Hindu’s through “ Coercion “. They dumped Bread pieces in Well water…and Those drank water from that well are socially Boycotted by our own Hindu Bro’s and Sis……and Ultimately they became “ Catholics “ ….By the way My forefather’s surname is “ Kamath” and my Moms’ forefathers surname is “ Prabhu” and my Brother-in-laws forefathers surname is “ Padival “ My “ Cousins forfathers surname is “ Nayak” …Our Hindu neighbors used to call my grandpa as “ Kamathere “ and My great Grandma’s surname is “ Bhat”…..and her forefathers are “ Shirodi Brahmin’s ( Shirod is village in Goa )…

    Due to Portugeese Inquisition our forefather’s left the Goa and came Coastal Karnataka…..and Tulu nadus Rulers accepted us in Tulunadu.
    Our forefathers assimilated in Tulu Culture and Society….and Tuluva’s never raised voice against Catholic’s…..
    There is always cordial relation between Hindu’s and Catholics….Secondly Catholics never attacked any “ Temple or Bhootha Saana “ in Tulunadu.

    Now you tell me if you applied “ Ghar Vapasi “ logic can Sarswatha / GSB / Daivajna Brahmins / Jain’s will accept us in their community….?????
    Will their daughters to marry our Boys or Vice versa……?????

    Rather than doing “ Ghar Vapasi” please uplift “ SC / ST ‘s of Tulunadu

    What is happened is happened. It is better Not to dig Old grave’s…..and we are not achieving anything.

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  • Zeitgeist, Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Me being an atheist, this whole religious conversion issue thing looks down right hilarious.
    All people should consider embracing Atheism. Imagine you dont have to spend countless hours speaking to your imaginary god, instead speak to your family and friends.

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  • Rationalist, Mumbai

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    “Owners of dogs will have noticed that, if you provide them with food and water and shelter and affection, they will think you are god. Whereas owners of cats are compelled to realize that, if you provide them with food and water and shelter and affection, they draw the conclusion that they are gods.”
    ― Christopher Hitchens, The Portable Atheist: Essential Readings for the Nonbeliever

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  • JP. Santhekatte,

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    One can become Brahmin by birth only.... This is the policy as per purana. now These upper cast have to clarify their stand on the status of converted people. whether he will be Brahmin or not. and if he get leading role in temples or not where one can make easy money.
    Brhamins dividing and ruling hindu religion. People beware of ...

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  • Master, mangalore

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Not only that have you seen any upper caste people (not everyone there are some really good people) involved in riots....No they just instigate the riots....Who are their footsoldiers involved in riots...Just lower caste people..who has to face the consequence of riots...This hirearchy is now used to propogate hindutva...even D.K chaddi HQ kalladka same hierarchy is followed...

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  • nelson pinto, udupi / oman

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    krishna bhatt, moodabidri

    "Because Church Rule has ended in India"

    Dear bro,
    what do you mean by this?
    When church brought rule for you ?

    some people converted their Religion for getting more benifits.

    not for they are having more and more faith on GOD.

    I am realy proud my self for being a christian.

    Becuase i or we never ever did or doing partiality with any hindu or muslim brothers.

    while i was in school even now too, we use to eat food in one plate, even with [ you guys calling them SC AND ST]

    conversion by force is wrong thing with any Religion, instead of blaming one side just think twice,
    why people are converting....

    what our religion can not fullfil their needs or they might have some other problem with their current religion.

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  • mangalorean, Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    This s d major reason BJP is nvr given power..no matter wat dey l show dear true communal colors n somehow create rift in d society.. Its such a shame that whatever our kids wer taught n and are being taught is all a big lie that India had unity in diversity n all crap..d only thing people des days hv is venom agnst each other..pls think 100 times bfr u vote next time guys..nobody wants such communal tension creating and causing people in power..throw dem down..our own family members cud b killed during d riots..it maybe Hindu, Muslim or Christian..life is life after all..

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  • Milan, Dxb

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    RSS,VHP face has exposed it's a force Conversion they Only targetting those who converted to islam and christanity. they stopped water and electricity and no adhaar and ration card, if u see while converting they still wearing islamic cap. Video tells the Story.

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  • masif, Jubail

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Before re convert the muslims & christians to hinduism, all aryans should re-convert to dravidians.
    According to general Indian legend, the Aryans arrived in north India somewhere from Iran and southern Russia at around 1500 BC. Before the Aryans, the Dravidian people resided in India. The Aryans disregarded the local cultures. They began conquering and taking control over regions in north India and at the same time pushed the local people southwards or towards the jungles and mountains in north India
    The caste system is believed to have been established by the Aryans. The fair skinned Aryans who occupied parts of India established the caste system, which allowed only them to be the priests (Brahman), aristocracy (Kshatria) and the businessmen (Vaisia) of the society. Below them in hierarchy were the Sudras who consisted of two communities. One community was of the locals who were subdued by the Aryans and the other were the descendants of Aryans with locals

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  • S.M. Nawaz kukkikatte, Dubai

    Tue, Dec 23 2014


    They Converting Muslims to Hindu. What a joke mamu. I thanks to almighty ALLAH they born me as Muslim. Am the follower of Islam principles which they teach us brotherhood relationship with other community. Do not blame Islam just because of Name sake Muslims.were they doing social disturbance in society. I love udupi more and more and do special respect of this city because of "sri krishna temple city" and beautiful tradition of tulunadu.

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  • Milan, Dxb

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    What this Man Talking, All these Millions of Mughal's were Muslims not Hindus. read the history then comment. What will A.R rehman will do. will he do Ghar wapsi No Never, No educated person will do a Ghar Wapsi. Only Uneducated alcoholist, Druggist will do Gharwapsi,

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  • vellano1, Mumbai

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    A R rehman's conversion is the best! he had his mannat for his sisters health.. and he when found his prayers answered he converted to Islam!.. he belives in Sufism, dargah ... (Sunni's dont like Darga or SUFI sect as well,that is different thing all together)... But there was No luring, there is no force or anything.. AND THAT CONVERSION IS STILL VALID AND WILL ALWAYS WILL BE!! its freedom of religion and everyone honors ones personal choice!!... Even if a anti conversion law comes up, this will not go in my opinion!...

    However, The idea of apostasy is a crime within Islam? correct me if I am wrong..? Will that not result in death? if a person goes out from Islam, he deserves death paenalty? is my reading wrong? can one muslim, in his will go and convert to christianity or Hinduism.. say..?

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  • Milan, Dxb

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Apostasy in islam, no were in quran written it's death penalty, it's the Mulla's who are saying without knowledge. read quran and understand for u to gain knowledge, translation is available in many languages. quran in surah baqara says no compulsion in religion. means you cannot force people to accept the religion. Don't believe in people they are making their own law.

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  • nazeeb, Mangaluru

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Dear Brother vellano1, Mumbai
    first of all i like your some commentaries in DW forum, you are frank & special commentators to me.
    regarding your subject apostasy, i would like to inform you the details.
    for apostasy is not a death penalty, but after leaving the religion if somebody preach against the religion then there will be death penalty. It is more are less same as compared to any countries law, if a country's secret agent after leaving the job, if he shares the secret of his country to other country, then his penalty also the same, put in to death.
    i always believed in the universal brotherhood , as we all belong to one creator almighty, he is the creator of all human beings, so all human beings are our brothers/sisters, there is no barrier for universal brotherhood. it is my personnel message may be some differ from this point of view.
    But there is black-sheep in our community, who always trying to spoil the peace which is existing, we need to be united to fight against those evil doers.

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  • juliana, udupi

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Is the decision kept in abeyance for their govt. to come to power?

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  • krishna, mangalore

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Good GHAR VAPASI

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  • Razim, Doha/Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    No religion says force people and convert them. People have their choice let them choose. Don't insult your own religion by forcing someone to follow it. Forcible conversion should be stopped and people involved should be punished.

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  • JR,

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    THOSE WHO ENCOURAGED CONVERTION DURING THEIR TENURE ARE NOW OPPOSING THEIR OWN RULE BEING IN OPPSN. SHOWS THAT THEY ARE GOOD FOR NOTHING AND THAT IS WHY THEY DON'T GET EVEN OPPSN. STATUS IN LOKASABA.
    THEY HAVE ALSO PROVED BEYOND DOUBT THEY ARE NOT FIT TO BE IN PARLIAMENT BY WASTING PRECIOUS HOURS OF THE PARLIAMENT FOR SILLY ISSUES TO BE GIVEN DAYS TO COME.

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  • gm, mlure

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Otherwise also what they are doing in parliament now a days?

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  • Vantage Point, mangalore

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Lol....who is speaking of fanaticism....Its like tiger preaching ahimsa.....Hypocrite...
    Recently U.S has included RSS in danger group....Thankfully in the same report there are Simi,ISIS...etc
    Lol...My community as history of more than thousand years being muslim in India...For whatever reason they converted I am thanful for them...coz no army came down to south west coast of India to convert them...It was willful conversion...It is the same time when jainism and buddhism which had influence over entire south India was loosing its prominence to vedism...I dont know from which community they converted...but I am proud to be a muslim...If at all I was a irreligious given set of religion to choose...I would choosen Islam it is what which convinces me...
    I dont know where are my forefathers who converted are buried...It is RSS job to findthem ,go and ask them why they converted...if you go still further thousands years back from that time...whole of south India was like tribals following animism,spirit worship...etc

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  • Indian, Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Friends, regarding this conversion or the so-called Ghar Vapsi program, may I know the converted Hindu will be classified as Brahmin or any other sub-caste? How will it be decided? and what effect does it have on the individual and the society as a whole? Can someone from the Sangh Pariwar answer this genuine question?

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  • krishna bhatt, moodabidri

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    "conversion by force or by threatening should be condemned and punished and banned". why now eyes are opened, all these years no one support anti conversion law. Because Church Rule has ended in India

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  • Ali, Ullal

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Conversion-re-conversion okay
    BPL card amisha yaakay??

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  • RSRB, Kundapura / Singapore

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Ali, Ullal

    Yaake goththaa?
    You do not have courage to file a case because Ponnani issue will keep you behind the bar...

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  • gm, mlure

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Whoever wants to go back to their home let them go but don't force anyone to come back saying that ghar vapsi.

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  • krishna bhatt, moodabidri

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    welcoming people who desire to come back into Hinduism is answer to conversion of Hindus to Christianity and Islam. Those who strongly appose anti conversion bill and who are in favour of Hindus conversion to Christianity, Islam should think about it. it is now our turn to bend the opposition agree for our version of law & take revenge on those two religions for misdeeds they have done since from past 500 years back.

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  • gm, mlure

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    You should have demanded 500 years back.

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  • Valerian D'souza, Udupi / Mumbai

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    If you really believe in freedom of faith,
    Make public announcements everywhere that EVERYONE is free to choose faith of his/her choice.
    And assure, no one will interfere or intimidate anyway in choosing faith of their conscience and then see, who and how many will choose what!

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  • R.Fernandes, Dubai

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Anti conversion bill is must with the clause of proper legal procedure for conversion incase somebody wants to do it.
    1) Forcefull conversion and lured conversion must be stopped.
    2) Do not talk about revenge because there is great contribution of Christian missionaries in the field of education to make India as civilized and competent society of today. May be your father, for fathers have studied in Christian institutes only.
    3) Hinduism is one of the oldest religion and even today it is strongest even though most of the ancient religions have disappeared and hence your fear is meaning less.
    4) I do not disagree that there are no lured conversions but at the same time I do not think that it is in great numbers. If it was so Christian population would have been multiplied exponentially in India.
    5) If you had respected your own brothers and sisters without casteism they wouldn't have left the religion. Even today you can see there are some temples they do not allow the lower caste to enter and even today you can see the Brahmins in villages treating the lower caste as untouchable. You are a Brahmin and you know better than me on this issue.
    6) Before blaming others keep your house in order and rest everything will follow.

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  • Joseph F. Gonsalves, Bannur, Puttur / Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Dear R.Fernandes, Dubai,

    As per ONE fundamental Commentator Krishna Bhat Udupi Church rule is ended.

    PREPARE YOURSELF FOR YOURGHAR VAPSI.

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  • vellano1, Mumbai

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    .. Indus civilization is the oldest on earth!... so, missionaries, didnt make us civilized! ... yes they "ANGLICISED" and made sure ENGLISH is the langauge.. and we all are grateful for bringing this uniformity throught out the world, because most states were their colonies!

    And both have benefitted from this! they took a lot of wealth from this land. As Desmond tutu said, in reference to Africa, "When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land."

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  • HENRY MISQUITH, INDIA

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Let religion be a personal choice. The best religion is humanity. From centuries the religious battle has only claimed lives of the common people. Religion is the biggest business across the world. conversion by force or by threatening should be condemned and punished and banned.

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  • Shankar, Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Mr. Misquith,
    Whats your say on a law banning all forced conversions?

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  • HENRY MISQUITH, INDIA

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    special law banning religious conversion required to all communities.

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  • Shivappa, Mangaluru

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Law with a small correction Henry,
    Forced / incentive based Conversions should be banned. Individual level conversions should be allowed.
    Fair for all.

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  • Dinesh Poojary, Kundapura/Bengaluru

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    I am proud to be Udupian.

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  • SK, Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    How many nationalities ?????Udupian, Kundapurian, Bengalurian ???????????

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  • ek, bejai

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    oh...so you are more of an udupian than an indian ??

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  • N.M, Mangalore

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Confused??!!
    ask bhakt vellano - Sangh payroll code 01...He will help you figure out your home town.

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  • Munna, Nitte/Karla/Qatar

    Tue, Dec 23 2014

    Dalits or lower cast CONVERT christian/muslim RECONVERT Brahmin

    Undu Yencha?

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